as far as the -- the law is here. is it just about a kinder and nicer way of accepting how much pennsylvania has to take on or what? >> we had a number of questions and in recent months or so, hhs has been answering our questions but they raise other questions and other concerns. so we're going to discuss some of the reforms we're exploring for pennsylvania's programs. and to see how that will work in according to hhs, whether they're going to accept what we want to do. what i know right now is that expansion is not sustainable for pennsylvania without the reforms. we're looking at adding 800,000 new children and adults into a program, and the cost under the aca would accumulate to over $4.1 billion over this next eight years. what i want to do is to be able to provide to pennsylvanians affordable, quality, health care. but there's key words, affordable and quality. we currently spend more in our budget than every other state for medicaid, except missouri. 27% for the general fun budget of pennsylvania goes to medicai